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Their own supposed plan, whatever it is. >> we have to run the numbers on that specific plan. >> we haven't run the numbers. says the republican budget guy who they tapped to be vice president about the campaign's budget. paul ryan was supposed to be the serious numbers guy. that presumably is why the romney campaign picked him to be the vice presidential nominee. that's the image that he had. the numbers guy. the specific guy. the clear policy choice guy. whether or not he ever deserved that image, the campaign is now doing its very best to ruin that image. and a choice. take tylenol or take ...

Deregulation. deregulation, the big thing there, of course, is going to be getting rid of obama care which, you know, is going to be a huge deal. all of this uncertainty, though, thomas, when you talk to people in the business sector, we had the biggest piece of legislation pass since world war ii. now this guy is going to get rid of it? not so good. >> one thing that he's talking about, his five-point plan, he addressed what the president has done, saying that the president has done virtually nothing. the problem with tax increases is they also reduce growth. raising taxes to try to get more ...

Do is repeal all of obama care. >> ryan is distancing himself from his own -- or distancing his own from that of mitt romney. what does it say about the second person in the republican ticket that he's already backing away from his own platform? the reason paul ryan was attractive is he's this budget guy. >> it's smart for them to revisit and put out a newer plan. one they can both agree on. that makes perfect sense. but to go back to one of the points mentioned earlier. when ryan has been developing his own plan, he did so along with a democrat from oregon. he approached this in a bipartisan ...

Straight. you have that story? and then i would love jonathan to respond. >> to paul ryan on fox. >> okay. >> do you have that? >> i'm wondering, is prepping something that you did like, what, back before we had television when you were vice president, because this is seriously, they -- >> here's the thing -- >> like barry manilow would sing two ships passing in the night or whatever that song was. prep, dude. >> this is what paul ryan brings to the table, right? his budget. is there something big about him like major -- >> he's great budget guy. >> it's the budget. budget. it was the budget. ...

But he says he will not show his taxes to anyone. we just have to trust him on it. and so, everybody has just kept wondering what the deal is with mitt romney and his taxes. then, as of one minute after midnight, friday night into saturday, mitt romney picked wisconsin congressman paul ryan. paul ryan! the budget guy with the blue eyes and the ripped abs. now everybody would certainly talk about that! right? talking about paul ryan and not mitt romney and his taxes and his tax returns. it did not work out like that. >> how many years of tax returns did you turn over to the campaign? >> well, i...