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Murray, included,n't whats to go over this cliff as the first best option. but she recognizes, as i mentioned, others are beginning to do that we can't achieve a sustainable budget path without new revenues. and grover norquist has very successfully blocked that blatant reality for a very long time. if he can be broken on this and it takes going over the cliff or starting down a slope that we can reverse and come back up quickly, that would be a quite positive thing for the economy and for fiscal policy. >> the truth of january 1 in the first weeks and first month even is that it's not exactly...

Little bit more benevolent towards this proposal. if you wouldn't mind sort of walking through the bogus aspects that meeter and i assert, if you care to knock that down, and then point out what you do like the most about this of what's here. >> let's start backwards. what i like the most, you simply can't get on a sustainable budget path without adding new revenues to the deal. and this is a balanced set of measures. and getting to your and peter's point, i mean, to some extent, when i walk to the two of you, and i like a lot of your ideas, you're playing on a completely different playing fie...

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