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Senate are going to be for something they don't view to be real, sincere effort of trying to get spending and debt under control. >> greta: how can we are remotely near close. o'-- the two sighs are so far apart and it is -- the the two sides are so far apart it is extraordinary to think anything can be worked out. >> i think the democrats would have to swallow to vote for the bane area approach, a process by which you might get a result on entitlement reform. we all agree unless you do something about entitlements you can solve this budget mess. >> greta: and a budget amendment. >> a vote on ...

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Senate are going to be for something they don't view to be real, sincere effort of trying to get spending and debt under control. >> greta: how can we are remotely near close. o'-- the two sighs are so far apart and it is -- the the two sides are so far apart it is extraordinary to think anything can be worked out. >> i think the democrats would have to swallow to vote for the bane area approach, a process by which you might get a result on entitlement reform. we all agree unless you do something about entitlements you can solve this budget mess. >> greta: and a budget amendment. >> a vote on ...

>> no, come on, pat. >> no, if the president didn't sign it and he puts the country into default -- >> no, no, no, the republicans put the country in default. you can't get away with that. if you say i will compromise nothing, i will make no negotiations and then it is the president's fault for going into default, you're crazy. i want to give you one fact as we talk about this. you know if we go into default and our interest rates go up 1%, it adds $1.3 trillion to the deficit. it makes our deficit to much worse. now if the republicans cared about the deficit, wouldn't they say, under no circu...

Tone. we didn't hear about corporate jets and millionaires and billionaires in the country. it's late for the president. mika, they have to drop the taxes off the table unless they talk about dropping rates. they are not going to get it. there's no sense in talking about it and talking about it. i think they can get a short term deal. my guess is we are almost beyond the point to get a long-term deal. >> they are not going to get a deal from the democrats without something on the tax and revenue side. >> something. >> you cannot address the budget problem only on the spending side. the numbers...