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Cost of contracts that were negotiated ten years ago that are coming due, and you can't afford it. so where do you draw the line. that's the balancing act that a lot of these governors are having to face. >> in terms of making that argument, though, and making that the national argument, to hear you say that makes a lot of -- liberals in particular, but democrats broadly, very excited and hopeful that republicans will take your advice because of three things. number one, states that are highly unionized do not have worse budget problems than states that are not highly unionized. the idea that ...

They seem to be blaming you guys for the budget problems. you didn't cause the budget problems. then they turn around and say we've got to cut your pay. i want to focus on what you're going to do about it in ohio. what's the plan of action and hi how is it going to work? >> ohioans will be circulating petitions to get the necessary signatures to get the veto on the ballot in november. we'll be gathering signatures and campaigning the issue in november. it's been seen as a politically motivated overreach and an attack on workers rights. ohioans are up in arms and they want to do something about...

We do now know there are some cia boots or shoes on the ground. does no boots on the ground include special forces as well? >> well, no boots on the ground was very a clear statement with respect to any kind of military personnel. and that means any kind of military personnel. and i support that position. i think it's the right position. i wouldn't comment on a news report with respect to any kind of covert activities. >> there are some who say the president of the united states is being very smart here. we have budget problems here in the united states, we're already involved in two wars in t...

Martha: we're going to have to take this up another day. >> good point except for none of the fact that the money is local and comes from a foundation, so it's a good point to make that not a penny is taxpayer money on it. martha: thank you very much, it's going to be a big issue, gentlemen, thank you very much, we'll be watching closely. bill: we have breaking news out of syria, and this is a shocker. state-run television saying the cabinet will resign in total. this is protests both for and against that government continue to speak of another mideastern country, martha. martha: almost every ...

Around! watch freedom watch, every night, on the fox business network. there he is. thank you judge. martha: we like to hear that that's the other reason. a new showdown in one state, looking for fresh options on its budget problems. the full house in newark, new jersey, watch this, as supporters of public and charter schools squared off. at issue? whether charter schools should take over space in underused public schools. republican governor chris christie's administration has raised that possibility. not sitting so well with the union leadership representing newark's teachers, though. >> i...