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The president decided not to do it in his budget. they're going to have some big grand bargain that's going to include some things in the budget things. we have a train wreck of budget issues coming together. the fiscal appropriations, debt ceiling, fiscal '12 appropriations. a lot of members can't distinguish between them, haven't dealt with them before. there's a lot on the plate for house republicans and everyone. the congresswoman does not represent an old liberal to me at all. >> the nbc "the wall street journal" poll says 22% of americans think it is necessary to cut social security. in ...

Condemn this? >> no. i don't think there's -- it's not a radical thing to be using reconciliation. reconciliation has been used for lots of things that are not straight budget things. >> sean: stop, stop, stop. we are not talking just about recollection sill -- you gotta be clear they are going to have house members vote on a rule change to say they passed a senate bill that they never passed so they will have the cover to say i voted for the rule change but i didn't vote for senate bill. you're comfortable with that? >> i'm telling you i'm comfortable with what i understand is going to happen...

Condemn this? >> no. i don't think there's -- it's not a radical thing to be using reconciliation. reconciliation has been used for lots of things that are not straight budget things. >> sean: stop, stop, stop. we are not talking just about recollection sill -- you gotta be clear they are going to have house members vote on a rule change to say they passed a senate bill that they never passed so they will have the cover to say i voted for the rule change but i didn't vote for senate bill. you're comfortable with that? >> i'm telling you i'm comfortable with what i understand is going to happen...

That imaginary problem can't be done. it is not a budget thing. only budget things can be tacked on to the bill through reconciliation. you bart stupak still not naming the people he supposedly speaks for. house leadership saying it is not the 12 he has been bragging about. maybe more like four or five. again the news today house leadership now no longer even entertaining bart stupak's boast that he'd be able to kill health reform if he doesn't get his way on abortion. they are not negotiating with him and they expect him to vote for the bill anyway. in other words, bart stupak's 15 minutes is...

Only budget things can be tacked on to the bill through reconciliation. bart stupak still not names the people he supposedly speaks for. house leadership saying it is not the 12 he has been bragging about, maybe four or five. house leadership no longerer n entertaining bart stupak. they are not negotiating with him and they expect him to vote for the bill anyway. bart stupak's 15 minutes is up. it was fun while it lasted. we'll be right back.