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Accept further nato enlargement. ukraine is never gonna be a nato. people are going to have to respond to that, diplomatically. or, whether this has built up to the inevitable invasion of ukraine, he wants to topple ukraine government and control if years of a neighbor that he sees as a buffer state between russia and nato. that is what we have to wait to find out. the action on the ground, unfortunately, continues to suggest that it is the latter scenario. >> magic eight ball is highly unclear on this. ben rhodes, i'm glad to have you with us, my friend. former deputy national adviser to obam...

To cultivate and maintain positive relations. you do not want to be used as an instrument against the powerful neighbor. so that's, i'm not making a pro-vladimir putin argument. what i am saying though is the u.s. national security establishment has sent out a client state an ally out against a very dangerous adversary and that's what we're looking at right now. this continued push against putin on his own borders this is in large part what has led us lehr to this moment. >> jesse: saying that as a buffer state, you know, ukraine is in between russia, petty powerful and the europeans, also pre...

Wants. he doesn't care about russian people at this point. we need sanctions, military aid and feel confident we will not become or be a buffer state, that is not our identity. >> todd: you say the world should be worried if putin takes ukraine, he won't stop there. explain the threat you folks experience and rest of the wofrld should wake up to? >> everything putin and russia touches becomes corrupt immediately, media, politicians, here and abroad. it is not about military invasion of any country. we can expect anything. it it is more how entire security architecture of the world is threatene...

Buffer state like ukraine. don't you think so? >> yeah, jesse, you know, as you said there is so much devastation and incredible suffering that's going on in ukraine right now. the world needs to condemn russia for his actions. the thing here is that our leaders really have if u. attitude and they just don't care. we see this fu attitude at home. fu to parents who are concerned about what their kids are being taught in their schools. you know fu to americans who want to make their own decisions as it relates to their health and covid and then you see this same attitude and mindset also extendi...

Government, and essentially govern the affairs of a neighbor that he sees as a buffer state, between rough shy and nato. that's where we have to wait and find out. that action on the ground, unfortunately, continues to suggest is the latter scenario. >> magic eight ball is highly unclear on this. ben rhodes, i'm glad you have with us. former deputy national adviser tomorrow. always >> thanks, alex. good to see you, thanks >> still to come, it is no ben. secret that air travel has gotten, shall we say, messi. during the pandemic. now, several republican senators want to stop the government from...