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It's great to see them give back. but it's hard to never imagine yourself being in a situation and not being able to pay bills and you have to call and you have to ask people can i skip this payment and move to the next? and some of these people have no sympathy. they're like how much can you pay? i looked at my pay stub and it says 0.00. >> hallie jackson said the art of a deal doesn't seem to be happening. are both sides doing enough for people like you and your family? >> i don't think so. i'm a democrat, but i don't stand behind the democrats 100% right now. i don't even think they realize...

Make america great again hats begin to do -- it looked like a mock haka. that's a tradition, a ceremony. they seemed like they were getting agitated. and then i saw the black hebrew israel identities shouting really terrible things, and it kind of seemed like the groups were going back and forth. i saw the elder that was there, phillips, and the people around him. i didn't realize what would end up happening which was them chanting build a wall and a youth standing directly in his face in a leering, aggressive manner. >> you walked away prior to that happening? >> i personally felt unsafe. i c...

Stories especially from some of our members of move on. look, i do believe democrats need to continue to fight. they need to continue to hold this president accountable. and here's the thing. the president can end this. he can. he's holding these folks hostage for a policy, for a failed policy. >> some are writing this will force democrats so vote against extension of the violence against women act, dems say no. maybe isn't the best headline for your party. >> here's the thing. if we cave in to this shutdown, if democrats cave in and give the president what he wants, which is really what he wa...

Government and to end this shutdown. it is like you said, i totally agree with you, bill. it's up to mitch mcconnell at this point to say okay, let's take a bill that -- >> well -- go ahead. >> i think the democrats will hold it against, and then the democrats say we can't. you need to reopen the government. i need -- i'm now going to go to the floor with a different bill. maybe it has $1 billion extra for the wall. at that point i think mcconnell says we're voting for this either way. >> is that despite the ann coulters of the world? >> they can say -- >> wait. >> i think he'll go back to cle...

People frequently say the power to spend money on this division or this missile system is part of the power of the purse. what i was actually was -- you know, actually, what the power being exercised there is the substantive power that congress has to raise armies. it doesn't -- >> it also has specific appropriations on agriculture -- for example could the president build a wall along our southern border because he wanted to and just take the money, whether appropriated or not? what about imminent domain? >> what about imminent domain? >> if you're going to build a wall you've got to take a wh...