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Negotiate. the american people -- my take away, is that they sent this up here to get this done, work across the aisle, not try to burn this place down. >> you worked at cia and national security for our country for sever years. what would be your reaction if he started using pentagon funds, money that's supposed to go to the u.s. military and used it to build a wall? >> i think it would be an amazing misuse and abecause of power. this is something i think folks will worry he would suggest last night. declaring that national emergency, now, he is -- he has the ability to declare a national eme...

There are rapeist and criminas d and murders that will chop your head off, then ya, build a wall. the broader trump phenomenon by understanding and understanding the standard holier than thousand clapbacks, it also setting him apart at this point from everyone else aiming to challenge him in 2020. i pulled that out because as a former campaign staffer, it boggled my mind that nobody -- to beat someone you have to respect why they're winning. and no one got the power of what he was doing. >> and beto can use a bad words.

The showmanship, the bluster. but it's not working. i mean his aides are telling him that his build-a-wall slogan doesn't have the same impact anymore. do you see the president closing the deal with an oval office address and he hasn't used that tool yet? >> i don't think so. i think that he's preaching to the choir. the people who are going to support this idea already support it. and i think the rest of us can see what's going on and the fact that he is just manufacturing this crisis. he just did it. he was just the boy who cried wolf, right? i mean it just happened. and i don't think most p...

To get president trump to either stay on message or, in many cases, don, to try to steer him away from a particular message because they knew if he went out publicly and said something, it would be much more damaging than what he actually came out and said. i've heard this numerous times from folks that were in the room with him. >> explain that again. what? >> there was so much concern about president trump when you worked for him, about what he was going to say, that a lot of the effort within the white house was not even necessarily to try to remind him to stay on talking points. it was mor...

You why. during this last cycle we wanted the president outside supporters, i'm not part of his campaign, people like us that were trying to help him maintain the house, we saw in focus groups, we saw in polling that trump supporters, the trump base, they identify the majority of his immigration accomplishment with that wall. while you can see that some people may say to reporters at the rallies, look, we don't take him quite literally, there are many others that do. this doesn't necessarily have to be. i would say something else, when he visited texas, alex, in july of 2015, kasie hunt asked ...