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The border to keep the border enhanced and safe? >> well, i think that goes back to your first question about your interview with sam nunberg being stuck on the word "wall". the president i think made that mistake of just using the word "wall." we have to use different forms of technology. we need to use whether it's called a barrier or wall. including more bodies at the border. >> is there anybody, amy, within the president's advisory circle who could say, mr. president, if you start talking about border security, talk about technological advancements, talk about infrared and drones and all t...

Now, sam nunberg, trump campaign adviser during the 2016 election cycle. sam, sam, sam, my friend, is it you that we have to thank for all of this consternation about building a wall and here's why i ask that, because you spoke to "the new york times" for this and in this report by peter baker, whom i spoke with earlier in the hour. >> right. >> it says that the whole wall idea was a, quote, memory trick for an undisciplined candidate. was that your thinking when you came up with this? i mean, tell the story. i'm going to give you the platform to tell us how this all came about. >> this was an...

Meeting with congressional staff. the partial government shutdown now on day 16 and a breakthrough is not expected any time today. there's no end in sight. meanwhile, president trump joining a staff retreat at camp david. before leaving, the president said he may decide in the next few days whether to bypass congress and declare a national emergency to build the border wall. setting the scene for us, msnbc's mike viqueira at the capital and geoff bennett at the white house. geoff, the president appeared to be signalling a concession of some sort on his end. tell us more. >> the definition of w...

Barrier. although democrats have said all along that they will not vote to fund any kind of brrds barrier because they say it's not emblematic of the nation's values. you have william hurd whose district constitutes 47% of the southern barrier, he says a border wall is the most expensive, least effective way to secure the barrier, that manpower and technology is far more efficient and effective. the president seems to have in his back pocket this notion of declaring a national emergency as one way of making an end run around congress to get this wall that he has been calling for. take a look a...

And a free-flow type of speaking at that point, to make sure he hit his policy points. this president thinks, obviously, to his career and brand he made was always going to talk about the economy and always talk about the military and the vetsz. those were issues dear to him. we also wanted immigration, which he had agreed and he had been following closely from the 2013 when the gang of six deal failed, we wanted to make sure that he brought in that point. on the other hand, too, his campaign was a common sense type approach to problems. now i just heard congressman heck say -- i've heard repu...