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He also said that he thought democrats wanted to come up with a deal. he clearly wants to come up with a deal of some kind too, it's just a question of where they found middle ground and if they can. >> by your reporting, jeff, do you think democrats want to come up with a deal that replaces a concrete wall as the president described, to now compromising to the steel slat, barrier, fence, whatever you want to call it? is that a big difference in can democrats' minds? >> well, look, i think we just have to listen to what the democrats have said and the primary spokesperson for the democrats rig...

Heart and head are in the right place as far as they're concerned and there pligmight b more willingness to compromise beyond some of the louder voices that he's been listening to. >> very quickly before i get to you, jeff, i was surprised when i heard my colleague susan in our last segment say that she does not believe that most of those in the campaign rallies dur the president's run up to the presidency actually thought that he was going to build a big, beautiful, 20, 30 foot concrete wall that he talked about and have mexico pay for it, that they just sort of liked the enthusiasm of where ...

Sticking point? >> so you're asking me to speak on behalf of the president of the united states? i admit, alex -- >> how about speak on behalf of congress. why doesn't mitch mcconnell get involved ri involved right now? why does he not see what you're alleging, peter baker as well, there are so many who don't see the practicality of this wall and believe it may be a losing issue, but for political expediency? why not get something done and move on to the plethora of other issues that you have in congress? >> why is senator mcconnell hiding? i'm not sure why. however, he's beginning to get sign...

Republican base, party base, but at the same time he may not remember to talk about it, so let's keep telling him to talk about a wall. that is what is causing literally the government to be shutdown at this moment. >> the president not talking about things because he was as we remember so off the cuff during his campaign rallies, does this make sense to you, the description by sam nunberg? >> well, first of all, i'm glad to see sam looking better than when we saw him looking about six months ago. this is bad policy, it's a childish device they gave to a president who nobody thought would win,...

>> do you agree with that? do people not blame the president for this language and rhetoric? >> i think a substantial amount of people do blame the president for a wholistic sense of debasing the public discourse over the past five years. he kicked in the door with the racist rhetoric of obama being born in kenya, building a wall, mexicans sending rapists and murderers. she said a word i don't use but i don't feel the need to distance myself from congressman dlaib. this is a really bad case of what about it. people have been involved into the oval office into the president's inner sanctum. >> ...