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A $5 billion appropriation wisely spent would go a long way to securing our border. it's just not about physical barriers. it's about other things. if we can find a way to make sure that the daca recipients have a work permit, it certainly makes their lives better. the tps population i think all of us are trying to find a way to help them. so there's a deal to be had, i think. >> is the president willing to back off his role as democrats want to talk about polling and other kinds of barriers? is he prepared to say it doesn't have to be a wall? >> all i can tell you is that democrats have voted...

Security? how is he defining the wall? >> well, he's got a $5.6 billion appropriation that was sent over from the house. that's what he need and wants. $5 billion given the context of what was sent over from the house plus other things i think is in the realm of possibility. >> is the daca for well trained in the past, what makes you think it might work now? >> well, it was never just daca for the wall. it was a lot of moving parts. diversity lottery was ended. we were arguing about how to transition to merit-based immigration, so the president did put a pathway to citizenship on the table for...

The democrats negotiating position starts with when mexico pays for the whaall, we'll sign budget. that's not going to happen. the president is asking the american taxpayer to pay for a wall he said mexico would pay for thp for. we don't know how much wall. you have to get into the issues of imneminent domain. you don't just go and build the wall. there's less than 700 miles of wall in a nearly 2,000 mile border. there's about 1,200 miles of where there's no physical barrier. so just to go out and say you're going to build a wall, it's just all the fulfill campaign promise. >> it's not easy as...

Purpose of it? we do that for the military, we do that for all of the infrastructure programs, and this member of congress isn't about to give the president a $5 billion slush fund to go build a wall wherever he wants to build it, whether it's necessary, whether it's useful or not. tell us precisely where you want to build that wall, mr. president, precisely how you're going to use the money for observation devices. and by the way, are you going to take care of the people that do arrive here seeking asylum rather than letting them die of some illness. >> meanwhile, politico is reporting that, ...

Build, where will it be, how will it be built, what is the purpose of it? we do that for the military, we do that for all of the infrastructure programs, and this member of congress isn't about to give the president a $5 billion slush fund to go build a wall wherever he wants to build it, whether it's necessary, whether it's useful or not. tell us precisely where you want to build that wall, mr. president, precisely how you're going to use the money for observation devices. and by the way, are you going to take care of the people that do arrive here seeking asylum rather than letting them die ...