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It's never been as safe and secure as it is now and asman a people know, el paso's been one of the safest in the u.s. for the last 20 yeefrs. in fact a little less safe after we had a wall. mccallen is safe, the border sit as are safer than the average city on the interior. there's no rational reason to do this. >> reporter: i've been interviewing you for years and you would always say el paso is one of the safest cities in america and the president turned that against el paso. for a while it was scary and no, it is safe and it's because of the wall which there is part of back there and you th...

Line is not the issue. the issue is what this country as a whole looks like and who gets to call it theirs, which is why the wall will never be built and always be needed. the border will actually never be secured but always need to be secured. it's because america cannot be and will not be one hopes the kind of nation those folks want, the president, his advisors, one bound by ethnic and racial affiliation rather than a collective vision of a pre society. the border is not what we need secure. what we want is for people to be secure. we want people to feel secure. and that, that's hard. and g...

>> yes. >> if there's a referendum in the city, that would pass? >> i do. he's what we know after the secure fence act we have built 600 miles of wall and fencing on a 2,000 mile border. it's cost us 10s of billions to build and maintain and pushed asylum seekers and refugees to the most hostile stretches of the u.s. mexico border, insuring their suffering and death. more than 4,000 human beings, women, children, dead, not in cages, as we have walled off their opportunity legally petition for asylum, to cross in urban centers like el paso, to be with family, to work jobs, to do what any human ...

Wilderness. a return of civilization and so the return of the wall. you can see the wall picking back up here for the obvious reason. it's possible for people to cross here. beyond eagle pass, the wall become as small fence and the elements can be hostile. there are no paved roads close to the border in this part of texas so if you decide to cross, you're definitely talking your life unyour hands. no cell lines, which is why people leave giant blue buckets out. they're fulled with water. new sections are of the wall could threaten the national butterfly center. >> this is a remnant of native h...

United states understands whautsds rr happening on the border? >> no. i think they think trying to steal our job when in reality there are no jobs to steal. >> reporter: do you think there's a border crisis out here? >> no. i think it's ridiculous. we don't need a dam wall. >> reporter: 100 miles into california at the only cafe in camp oo, fox news is up and the crowd is mostly border patrol and some nearby say there is a crisis. >> you used to not see any immigrants passing through but now you see them everywhere. >> reporter: it passes eight prototype walls built during president trump's ea...