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>> but secretary chertoff, the governor made an interesting point. this is a democrat, former democratic mayor of denver. he, like colleagues like mayor bloomberg may believe in greater gun control laws, but he also references the fact that everything was purchased legally here and we live in an age where if he couldn't have gotten to guns, he was building bombs in his apartment as well. so the notion that somehow you eliminate that danger in a gun control debate is going to be bitterly fought. >> well, that's what's striking is you look at what we've heard about the apartment and the sophisti...

>> it a lot of gun rights advocates say that's where we ought to be. even the democratic governor of the state said forget the guns, the guy was building bombs, he could have done either if he wanted to carry out this attack. >> that's right. it's orthodoxy in the democratic party that the majority was lost because of the pass of the assault weapons bill. there is not going to be any further gun control measures passed by the u.s. congress, it's an absolutely settled issue. people absolutely will not take on the nra. it's the most powerful interest group in washington, d.c. let's talk about ...

Ought to be. even the democratic governor of the state said forget the guns, the guy was building bombs, he could have done either if he wanted to carry out this attack. >> that's right. it's orthodoxy in the democratic party that the majority was lost because of the pass of the assault weapons bill. there is not going to be any further gun control measures passed by the u.s. congress, it's an absolutely settled issue. people absolutely will not take on the nra. it's the most powerful interest group in washington, d.c. let's talk about politics more generally. the president has got a moment ...

Point. this is a democrat, former democratic mayor of denver. he, like colleagues like mayor bloomberg may believe in greater gun control laws, but he also references the fact that everything was purchased legally here and we live in an age where if he couldn't have gotten to guns, he was building bombs in his apartment as well. so the notion that somehow you eliminate that danger in a gun control debate is going to be bitterly fought. >> well, that's what's striking is you look at what we've heard about the apartment and the sophistication of the devices that were disarmed or disabled there, ...

Stopping on this issue and we're not going to move on. >> it a lot of gun rights advocates say that's where we ought to be. we should focus -- even the democratic governor of the state said forget the guns, the guy was building bombs, he could have done either if he wanted to carry out this attack. >> that's right. it's orthodoxy in the democratic party that the majority was lost because of the pass of the assault weapons bill. there is not going to be any further gun control measures passed by the u.s. congress, it's an absolutely settled issue. people absolutely will not take on the nra. it'...