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He has not started no trump wall has begun? there's only been updates. >> i think what i'm trying to say, we can spend the rest of the hour going around and around about the definition of wall. i think this has been kind of somewhat of a silly rhetorical exercise. fence, slats, barrier, whatever. we have started it. we have voted for it repeatedly in the past. let's finish it and complete it. >> do you think the president should declare a national emergency? clearly that seems to be what the president is hinting that he might declare one and if it is a national emergency, why wait to declare o...

President trump hinted he could declare a state of emergency, which wouldn't be an emergency to build a wall which might not be a wall which he says is already being built. does that make sense? you heard right. after two years in office and a 35-day government shutdown the president said he might declare an emergency to make something happen that he says is already happening. the president said that construction on the wall and barrier, fence, whatever you want to call it, he's back to calling it wall says it's already under way. it's already going up. >> we're building the wall now. >> build...

Joining us is david axelrod. david, do you have any faith that the president will listen to mitch mcconnell on this? >> not much. i don't think mitch mcconnell has much faith either but he's trying to do the best he can to prevent another disaster. it's the party that's increasingly in danger. democrats 45%. now democrats are still at 45 but the republicans are down to 38. it's -- they are feeling the heat and mitch mcconnell's party. i think the president is simply confusing the issue and he's painting himself surprisingly. he painted himself into a corner with nancy pelosi a few weeks ago an...

This will immediately go to the courts. it will be held up and likely thrown out as unconstitutional. he will look like he's defiant in defense of the wall. i think that's what he's been told. there's a lot of republicans who think this could be an abuse of executive authority an much opposed to it. i think he's looking for way out of this that doesn't make him look weak. >> an avenue is just to pretend that there's a wall that is now being built and that 115 miles of it are planned and they using money they have and this is well under way and now it's got to be finished. >> i think david axel...

As finishing it, basically he's trying to pretend that his wall, the wall that he campaigned on, the one he said mexico would pay for has already started to be built when it's just updating the fencing that has existed, been voted on in the past. there is no new wall of the president's that's begun. >> i think he's also making the point that barriers that secure our borders are not immoral. when speaker pelosi says that i'm not going to give you a dollar now and i'm not going to give you a dollar ever, particularly when she has said i'm not going to negotiate until the government's open. now t...