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I'm an expert on the process, on legislation. and there's some truth in that. it's rare to get the hard core play of simply i have a relationship and if you want in, you should pay me. he ran around in this really hand fisted way. i remember hearing about it in 2017 and saying i have the president's cell phone. i'm his friend. i can get to him. you don't usually see it that baldly stated. in one sense it's refreshing to hear the proposition stated so clearly. on the other, it runs counter to the way the lobbying community tried to cloak what it does for years and years. >> particularly for som...

Business. i don't know because i don't know what his business is. we got that from "fox&friends" then we have rudy taking his medals off. >> there's so many. >> so many from the queen. >> sword. >> sword. >> yes, taking his sword. and then saying, oh wait, he can still be his lawyer. maybe it's not about business. >> well, look, the entire problem for the president and for cohen is this question mark around his business and where it overlaps with the president's business. so cohen is a guy who is flipping realize in suspicious ways, he was buying taxi medallio medallions, being a fixer, settin...

Were in trouble with the administration and pitching himself as a fixer to them. and you know, it's still unclear exactly who that money was for, who was getting paid. was it lobbying, was it something else? we don't know. >> richard, i have to say a year and a half in, the incompetence of all of these people, elise said, they're not good at lying. you know, david quote, the clintons are unusually good liars. well, donald trump and those around him unusually bad liars. and bad at corruption. just so obvious. it's one crumb after another crumb after another crumb they leave laid out. i just won...