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South korea, seoul, china, japan before we actually kick the sights out? is that a real worry and concern? worst-case scenario, how many dead are we talking about? >> their trump card for lack of a better turn the kim jong un has is his artillery. thousands of pieces and thete rockets that are aimed at soul, a city of 25 million plus peopl people. so imagine artillery raining down on a city like manhattan. i'm not confident, what this would look like is essentially our stealth capability, the cyber, the electronic warfare going in early to take down the air defenses so that we then have the fo...

Sides of mountains and bunker complexes. while that is going to take a little bit of time, artillery and rockets could be raining down on seoul. that's the big -- >> sean: but that they would fire, they have the ability to know that there is an attack that is imminent, correct? >> well, that it's right. we could get in and get a lot of their nuclear capability and the missile site before a lot of that occurs, but enough is going to occur that it is going to cause collateral civilian casualties. but the point is that getting back to talks which is what a lot of people are saying that we need to...