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Announces. >> but biden is more likeable than hillary clinton and they both are in lock step with barack obama, as far as we know so they both espouse the same lureble line but is he more likeable. so why wouldn't win? >> well, likeable isn't the only thing that determines who wins the nomination she has incredible organization apparatus ready to go. she has raised money. she has got people in the field. that's a formable thing talking about delegates. she already has a lot of super delegates. buoy den obviously conflicted and many ways reluctant will be plunging into a race where there is not...

In maybe not vice president buoy den someone could easily show up. >> the numbers are coming down. it's real bad. >> there is the october debate and even if governor o'malley does well. he is is the one people aren't talking about. but if he he does tremendous job, that maybe draw attention. i think route now, that's a really roller coaster nomination. >> it's fun. >> i think o'malley is still -- his numbers are still too low to take seriously anders and biden they both -- people like them. they could do well. if i were hillary, i would be a little nervous. >> betsy, david, thank you both. som...