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Statements not corroborating, saying i didn't know about it and then there's evidence he did. there's a problem for the white house they need to address and regain confidence. but i am less concerned about the campaign finance angle, because i don't believe it's a violation. >> many were lying about what the president knew. >> you will see the rare opportunity to see a prosecutor and defense attorney agree. the key question is whether it was a campaign contribution or something else. was it designed to protect him in the election or designed to protect his family. there's other facts as well. ...

On, basically he says, he claims you are lying about him to protect your wife and your father-in-law. >> inaccurate. he knows the truth. i know the truth. others know the truth. here is the truth. the people of the united states of america, the people of the world, don't believe what he is saying. the man doesn't tell the truth. it's sad that i should take responsibility for his dirty deeds. >> you lied for him for a long time. >> more than ten years. >> why? >> what? why? why, michael, why? maggie, what did you hear there? >> i think the question i would have liked to have heard the rest wher...

Congress. the prosecutor may have said you need to plead guilty to -- >> does that lesson the fact that michael cohen -- >> i think the question is whether or not there's a campaign finance violation. there's a former commission that says it's not. you accept the prosecutor's argument to get a reduced sentence does not mean the case has been tried. >> that's the argument my friend from lindsay graham made. it's not really a tough case. the reason it's not is because you have two independent witnesses that say donald trump instructed these payments and for what purpose he did so. you have david...

Court chief justice, john roberts, by name. he has rebuked john roberts over the last day but what is more extraordinary is that john roberts, the chief justice, has chosen to speak out against the president. let me read you one more time what chief justice says, we do not have obama judges or bush judges or clinton judges, but what we have is an extraordinary group of dedicated judges. joining me now, joan, i was lucky enough to speak with you last night. the burning question, and we have seen the president go after people before, and that's not surprising. what is surprising is what the chie...

No sense of i can use the democratic majority to be more pragmatic and he talks about it in interviews, the president believes that what he does works and he doesn't believe there has been a political cost to it, so that's the next debate in american politics as we approach 2020, is will the country decide on a national level with a binary choice that the kind of politics the president practices is not the kind of politics they want. >> what does it mean for decorum? the burning question, rachel s. what does this mean for decorum? he wants decorum in the white house and then a insult billion a...