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This is a diversionary tactic. >> do you think it's a tell they may believe flynn may know or say things about the obstruction charge? >> of course. they're in a position where flynn may have flipped, not in fear but anger. he devoted himself to trump and trump cut him loose, wouldn't pay legal fees, promise him a part, protect his kid. flynn has flipped and i think the white house and president's lawyers are very nervous about what an angry man can say in a situation like that. >> wow. burt newburn and richard painter, interesting stuff. up next, bob mueller's interview rooms, witnesses spe...

Richard painter. burt. obstruction, a thing a president can do? >> of course. there are hard issues in the constitution, this is not one. no person is above the law, including the president. i think the president's defenders are making logical mistake. saying because he's in charge of a process he can't subvert it. but of course you can be in charge of something and make sure it doesn't work properly. that's exactly what obstruction of justice charge would be if it were proved. it's a high bar to prove it. >> high bar. richard painter. >> it's quite clear that the president it obstruct justice...