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have taken out the capitol or white house if they had their way. on a bus en route to that is general tommy franks. general, good to have you. >> guest: great to be with you. >> neil: gerald, they say night 93, they say they are not forgotten but more overlooked on this day when we focus obviously at the enormous loss of life here in ground zero and the scariness of what happened in the pentagon and 125 lives lost there. and what could have happened in shanksville. >> guest: i don't know that i would agree that the shakesville is forgotten, but it is not a metropolitan area and so we have to work hard to be sure that we do not forget. actually, united flight 93 was the first response by