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Enabler of big government. the supposedly rabid republican freshmen are big government conservatives. they will cut programs that do measurable good while doing little to solve our lawn range fiscal crisis. >> we'll see people wrestling over the bed sheets on the titanic. it's 16% of the budget. we're going to do all the fighting over that. the 84%, which will grow to 86% and 88% and 90% in the years ahead, medicare, social security, interest on the debt, veterans, nobody is talking about that. and worse, nobody is even preparing the ground for that. so all around the country you've got people...

I think there are only a very few plausibles. mitch daniels, who gave a good speech at cpac. mitt romney, john kuhn and then tim pawlenty. after that it's all commentary. jeb bush would be a great candidate. he's got the bush problem. huntsman, he served in the obama administration. >> chris christie? >> he would be great but he said he's not running. >> what is the theory of the case, because ultimately it's still going to be tough for the republicans, isn't it? >> if you look at the electoral college, it's not that tough. there's about seven states they have got to take away from the preside...

Decisions. if we continue the path we're going, we're going bankrupt. >> mark halperin, what i keep hearing from leaders is we have to have the adult conversation. i keep saying we can have a juvenile conversation as long as you'll say what you're actually for. because nobody is actually saying what they're for here on the tough stuff. >> with all due respect to the congressman, this is the problem right now. all we have to do, if this is going to happen this year and i think it could, is to get to a deal that's too big to fail. a deal that has the tax increases, the kind of cuts to health car...

>> david, our goal here is to reduce spending. our goal is not to shut down the government. and i'm hopeful -- >> would you rule it out? >> i would hope that the senate and the white house heard the same thing i heard from the american people in last november's election. it's time to cut spending. >> very precise question -- would you rule out government shutdown, if you can't see eye to eye. >> our goal is to cut spending, not shut down government. >> on entitle like social security, you said the retirement age should be raised. but you said you don't want to get into negotiating how that hap...

But you said you don't want to get into negotiating how that happens just now until the problem is better defined. again, when it comes to leadership, when it comes to the need to have no limit on cutting, don't you think americans understand what the problem with social security is? what will it take for you to join with the white house to make real reform to deal with this piece of the budget? >> david, you may understand how big the problem is, i may understand how big it is, but most americans have not been presented with just how big is the problem. and it's social security, it's medicare...