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>> john, the powell stuff is really quite remarkable on two fronts. one is, you've covered this longer than i have, but i don't think i've ever seen a president do this, even publicly. there's been behind the scenes, button holing. a famous picture of lbj with the fed chair trying to get him to lower rates, basically assaulting him, essentially. this is just in another universe, right? this doesn't happen. >> well, look, donald trump doesn't have a strategy for any particular policy, including the economy. he has a strategy for what is good for donald trump in the immediate moment. and so the ...

Longer than i have, but i don't think i've ever seen a president do this, even publicly. there's been behind the scenes, button holing. a famous picture of lbj with the fed chair trying to get him to lower rates, basically assaulting him, essentially. this is just in another universe, right? this doesn't happen. >> well, look, donald trump doesn't have a strategy for any particular policy, including the economy. he has a strategy for what is good for donald trump in the immediate moment. and so the things he says one day may have no relation to the things he says the next day because he has a ...

Offered and visits from the high profile vips gets offered and that is what is going on here, and they are button holing the people, and offering them, and whatever they can to get them to come into their column. >> and you know what might work there at georgia is the taco max. okay. now, thank you for following that for us, alex seitz-wald. sfwhoo a >> and now a top story where a report is rattling d.c., because the washington post is saying that officials in the west wing is sought to enlist members of the intelligence community and congress to counter reports of russia. and so they say that...

They are, in fact, running the lobbying campaign. >> well, right, and i think he's trying to make a distinction that lobbying really means just going and talking yourself, button holing a legislature, trading on your connections with your individual congress people but that's really not the whole story, and in fact what he did was trade on his relationships and trade on his status at a great free market person, which he's not, to create these talking parents and to create this campaign to say hands off freddie, and i think it's a ridiculous distinctionç to say that's not lobbying. today i be...