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Occurred did not then go back and encourage him to correct it or didn't correct it, is that problematic and could that be the confusion that this buzzfeed report has kind of stumbled upon? >> absolutely, joy. so that's gray. the value of the buzzfeed report was that it was black and white, but that's not how public corruption cases work. so i think that what robert mueller was doing is trying to protect his case. he's letting congress and the american people know there's not going to be a perry mason kind of moment where evidence of texts and e-mails is that persuasive or that compelling. he's...

One thing that stuck out the me when that report came out, in the 24 hours after, no other news organization was able to confirm it. you know minus organization wasn't and we weren't talking to a lot of sources that were able to confirm it. we saw other reporters on twitter essentially saying we didn't see this story going in that direction or our sources weren't matching up with that and i think that's something that democrats really should have paid attention to because we're already seeing it with the president on twitter. the president is going to essentially launch an attack on the press ...

Congress without paying a serious price and holding -- being held accountable for it. >> we were talking off-camera and you said this is worse than nixon. mueller's office chose to comment on this buzzfeed report but not the hundreds of other reports that went before, including the possible -- the "new york times" report about the counterintelligence investigation. what does that tell us about those other reports? >> that's a really great point to make because there has been a lot of information put out over the past two years on this investigation. it's not coming from the special counsel's o...

Major significance of the buzzfeed report was the claim that mueller had evidence, that mueller had text, e-mails, documentary evidence that could establish the president suborned perjury. this was not the word of michael cohen or somebody else. this was documentary evidence and now you have again this report in "the washington post" and the statement from robert mueller, a huge potential here. >> that was my reaction, how could you possibly parse this if you're putting on your lawyer hat? of course, one way is to say, well, they really talk narrowly about the descriptions and the characteriza...

Suborning perjury is a crime. and cohen who is president trump's right hand man is a convicted man and a liar, but the buzz feed indicates it is not his word that is central here, citing two federal law enforcement officials, they report that mueller's office learned trump directed cohen to lie from the trump organization and from company e-mails, text messages, and other documents. >> cohen of course pleaded guilty in november to lying to congress about the russia investigation. he claimed negotiations about the moscow tower project ended in january of 2016 when they, in fact, ended in june o...