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That michael cohen was encouraged to lie. >> i have no evidence to support this specific report. and if true, it is one of the sayings that's been repeated, but what we see here is a pattern of the president's contempt for the rule of law. i've said, and this report confirms it, that there is a credible case of obstruction of justice against the united states -- the united states president because of his false statements in the past to the american people, but also because of his really encouraging deceptive statements about the trump tower meeting, about his concealing documents relating to h...

So far? >> well, i'm not sure but interestingly lindsey graham who's the chairman of the judiciary committee asked william barr in line to become the new attorney general whether that kind of action, urging people to lie before congress would be obstruction of justice. and i think bill barr might have wondered why lindsey graham was mocking that one of the first questions he asked and bill barr answered yes and henceered the same way when senator, democrat, asked the question as well. so i think it's clear in the judiciary committee that they want to get barr on record because william barr may...

Right? >> yes. >> any person would persuades another. >> okay. you also said a president or any person convincing a witness to change testimony would be obstruction, is that right? >> yes. >> right now, i'm joined via skype by buzzfeed investigative reporter anthony cormia. rudy giuliani is already trying to suggest this report is not true because cohen's a liar. >> has he read it? because it's not based on michael cohen. he's not one of the sources. this was developed over a period of about a week to a week and a half through individuals that are directly -- they are directly with this sort o...

Congress, he's potentially on the hook but we'll have to see, hugely, whether this story is true. the other thing is there's growing pressure, if the story is true, i've heard some members of congress and even a former member of the intelligence community tell me robert mueller has an obligation to deliver this evidence immediately because congress has been lied to and they have a right to act on it to start impeachment proceedings. some people are wondering why mueller would sit on this for months if, in fact, he's got evidence that the president committed a crime. >> that could be a part of ...

Welcome back, i'm stephanie ruhle. we're getting more reaction this morning to that buzzfeed report that president trump directed his longtime attorney and fixer, michael cohen, to lie to congress about the moscow tower project. again, nbc news has not confirmed this report. but the president's tv lawyer rudy giuliani told us, quote, if you believe cohen, i can get you a great deal opn the brooklyn bridge. chairman of the house intelligence committee warn, quote, we will do what's necessary to find out if it's true. this senator noted, everything feels like a bombshell and we're all numb but i...