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Violating the emoluments clause, which means he's profiting from being the president. these are all very important facts. >> let me ask you about another interesting fact that seems to have emerged over the weekend, thanks to rudy giuliani making another admission on the sunday shows, that trump may have actually talked to michael cohen about his congressional testimony. that in and of itself is pretty significant in the wake of the buzzfeed report that claims president trump was a little bit more forceful in directing cohen to lie to congress about the moscow project. listen to this. >> he's ...

New fallout tonight over bob mueller issuing a rare response to that buzzfeed article that reported michael cohen had told bob mueller's team he was ordered to lie to congress by trump and that mueller would have evidence of that. let's be clear, while that buzzfeed report dominated the news on friday, including i should mention right here on "the beat," it was being covered everywhere. but then mueller in a very rare move issued a statement saying that the core of the buzzfeed report was, quote, not accurate. let get into what went wrong. i'm joined by margaret sullavan and former new york ed...

Report but if this it true it shows obstruction of justice. >> "if true," the most important term in politics. hearing it a lot this week. used by lauck mawmakers and med across the country. buzzfeed reported that the president drirected michael cohn to lie to congress about the timeline of discussions regarding the trump tower moscow project. later it was disputed by the special counsel's office. buzzfeed says it still stands by its rosting and some, like senator kirsten gillibrand says it still is about the report. >> it shows the president obstructed justice. it raising a question in my min...

The new democratic congress, people talking about impeachment already. the shutdown, unprecedented, as so many things about this presidency are. the real active debate, this is what moved me the most, the real life debate about whether the president of the united states is a winning or unwilling russian depate. it's like we're living on earth two or something. with all of these things going on, the pieces are carefully constructed piece by the historian of american institutions, knows his stuff and i thought the argument in this for beginning an impeachment process was very strong. i figured s...

One interesting person that i've meant was a gentleman named alex. but he was a daca recipient. he got a letter saying he had 24 days to deport himself to el salvador where he was born but he grew up in indiana. now he's amongst his caravan coming back towards the u.s. border trying to figure out what he'll do next as he watches the battle play out in washington. arthel: his home as he knows it is indiana. reporter: that's right. i told him what are you going to do recess i don't know in minnesota just want to get back to the life ideal. he came as an infant to the u.s. arthel: griff jenkins, ...