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Billion, more than double what it laid out for mitt romney and the nra money started flowing much earlier in the cycle for trump. we don't have a definitive accounting whereheir nations come from, correct? >> no, we don't. a lot of money is so-called dark money. it doesn't have to be identified. it goes to a c-4 organization, non-profit. and you know, a large part of that $30 million does not have to be disclosed publicly. we don't really know. we're relying on the nra's word as their scrutinizing their books to verify or try to verify that there were no russian donations that came in which wo...

You about a person who would put out these sort of decoy devices, to use your term? >> there definitely appears to be some copycat similarities here. looks like he took pieces from recent shootings, even going as far back as columbine, which was 19 years ago, hard to believe, last month. four components to a bomb. you need a power supply, like a battery, which he didn't. you had to have explosive, pten or c-4, which are much more difficult to get. he did not have those either. then you have to have an initiator, which could be a blasting cap, which he did not have. fragmentation, which appears...

It acceptable for this pro trump girl to turn around and hire him? >> well, erin, i have to call balls and strikes here saying i'm disturbed and concerned that someone who said these comments, these hateful type comments was then hired by the c-4. i think if i'm a donor to the c-4 and pretty ticked off someone like this was hired. especially this is not how the president talks. this is not how anywhere near the president talks. and this is exactly the story that the left wants to go and paint of the president and his supporters so when they go and hire someone like this, then obviously having ...

Reach out to them a couple months later as he has been recently. it wouldn't be that shocking if at some point especially if this chaos continues, that trump might decide i need a new perspective, i'm going to reach out to steve bannon again. >> that would really be something if he went back to bannon. does bannon have a next trick up his sleeve? he's got a new movement, new initiative, new money. >> it's not clear that he does. he's working on a c-4. i know he's been out fund-raising. he had quite a fall after trump broke with him. he lost his big ben factor. i do think that it's interesting ...

Robert mercer? >> well, steve has -- is independently wealthy in his own right through his work at goldman -- >> while he rails against ho hollywood and wall street that is where he made all his money. >> yes. but he is raising money for a c-4 umbrella group that will fund these insurgent candidates that he wants to primary against mcconnell and establishment candidates in the 2018 midterm. so he's got basically a lot of juggling going on between trying to promote himself, while also trying to lead this insurgent movement to take back the senate. >> many of us have felt like he's closer to tru...