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Three years. it was about 19 months when things were going back and forth for too long. >> sean: i stand corrected. i apologize. tell us what happened in your case? >> well, we applied for a 501-c-4. family talk is on 1100 stations around the country and we are all over the internet and so we started the organization and its purpose is very much the same as what i have is done for over 30 years having to do with family life and parenting and so on. and we applied for the 501 c 4. we already had a c 3 and aplead for a c 4 and it went on and on and on o the ground. and finally our lawyer called ...

Three years. it was about 19 months when things were going back and forth for too long. >> sean: i stand corrected. i apologize. tell us what happened in your case? >> well, we applied for a 501-c-4. family talk is on 1100 stations around the country and we are all over the internet and so we started the organization and its purpose is very much the same as what i have is done for over 30 years having to do with family life and parenting and so on. and we applied for the 501 c 4. we already had a c 3 and aplead for a c 4 and it went on and on and on o the ground. and finally our lawyer called ...

Congressionals coming in and talking about that. >> and did you learn that from the press or inquiries from >>know.s? could have been either, came up in a meeting and then it hit the press, and so i don't know. >> in any event, after learning of the information in the audit, what steps did you take? >> we investigated what happened. we took a look, and ultimately i issued a directive that said ta the law in the aarea was not cl. we had not been enforcing in the area substantially since the period of 1982 or something like that revenue ruling that talked about gift tax and c-4 organizations, an...

Time. i was told there was a use of the list. the list seemed obnoxious to us as it does to you. >> okay. >> and we were going to take actions on that. that was in may. >> and you say, it was not targeting but why was only one side of the political spectrum was singled out in this? >> look what happened, they get 70,000 applications in there for 150 or 200 people to do. they, triaged those. people look at them and they send them either through the system because they're okay into a mix of folks so that they can get technically fixed up and some go for substantive questions. politics is an area...

Were press accounts and congressionals coming in talking about that. >> and did you learn that from the press or did you learn that? >> i don't know. it could have been either. it came up in a meeting and then it hit the press. i don't know. >> in any event after learning of that information of the audits what steps did you take? >> we investigated what happened. we took a look. and ultimately i issued a directive that said the law in the area was not that clear. that we had not been enforcing in that area substantially since the period of i believe 1982 or something like that revenue ruling t...