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I do with my 9-year-old and used far more vivid language. and i think quite frankly come out and announced there would be a commission made up of a former, two former commissioners, irs commissioners, one appointed by a democrat, one appointed by a republican that said look we're going to deal, the irs is going to deal with how to deal with 501 c 4s, that have different political bent, based on what the administration is or isn't. and that's always going to be the case. so that law is going to be the purview of that law is going to be dependant on what that law says. and this commission should...

Politics, people can make a buck, create an organization and get tax-free standing. >> the problem with 501 c 4s, exists on both sides of the aisle. we have groups that i support in the same questionable category and it should be cleaned out. it should be done by congressional action. they should take away the designation or make it full disclosure, that's number one. number two, i think it has real potential. benghazi, no potential to affect elections. in 2012, right before the election, sandy came and it reminded the american people that government is important. and now this is going to remi...

Political appointees, he means the general counsel of the irs and the commissioner who is really the boss. doug shulman was that person during this time period. he a republican, a george bush appointee. is there a credible way to charge that the administration somehow influenced a republican george bush appointee to somehow scuttle the attempts of tea party groups to become 501 c 4s? >> it's a great question, i think the jury still out. i think the president's comments were absolutely accurate. my colleague joe klein has a great point about the whole issue. the president has been rightfully pr...

Sides, transpartisan investigation. of what is going on with the money sloshing around in our system in the guise of these political welfare groups. i think that's key. and i do think bob is absolutely right. cuts across everything we've been talking about today. faith in government in crisis. and we're witnessing people working really hard who hate government to discredit government and people you know, the irs story. you can see the cranking up, if you can call it of emails now, fueling the anti-government conspiracies, but we got to look at the 501 c 4s, across the board how they're used. >...

>> one is the obvious wrongdoing by those people who shouldn't have been targeting specific people with the names tea party. full stop. but the other one is the whole idea of 501 c 4 social welfare organizations. crossroads gps, is that a social welfare organization. americans for prosperity. so the idea is you can create a 501 c 4 and tax-free people can give unlimited amounts of money to you and you can use it for politics but you're not really supposed to. >> a little history and context. first of alls, the irs has had a long history of harassment and thuggery on all sides. after the citize...