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Forth between congresswoman caroline maloney of new york and daryl issa. he tried a tricky maneuver here he was later called out on. i want to have you take a listen. >> this whole irs mess seems to flow directly from confusion over just how the irs should enforce a law that was passed by this congress that gives tax-exemption status to not for profits but only if they're essentially politically nonpartisan. >> you probably were not here when this was discussed, but 501 c 4s do not get 100% deduction. you're not tax dedoesn'table on your donations. >> not at all? >> not a penny. >> tricky mane...

Great shape, so they could actually use somebody really good. the larger principle of attacking people for their speech. we've seen this. it's a pattern. what happened at the irs, people who were trying to express their opinion, their beliefs through these 501 c 4s were targed by the irs. just today, there was report from testimony at the irs said no liberal groups were targeted. it's this acceptance in some quarters of allowing people to be attacked for their beliefs regardless of what they are able to do in business, or what their talents are. >> but the interesting thing here, these were no...

At least one member of the supreme court, remember, from that night. is it your opinion that that is the beginning of this narrative, that the president was signaling that something was to be done about this? >> the e-mails in which lois lerner seems to be the hub of activity include a rule, similar to the one they're claiming now, to rein in 501 c 4s. but it appears that she was working that track and also working the track of trying to do what they couldn't do in this case by notth allowing these tea party and patriot named organizations to go forward. >> what jumped out at me, it said every...

The heavy hammer of their power to try to shut down political speech. >> silencing your critics is commonplace in authoritarian country. >> mr. speaker, for goodness sakes, this is not about the first amendment. this is about allowing secret money in campaigns. >> whenever somebody in washington tells you don't really it's not really about free free speech, trust me it is. >> coward back room regulation. >> they try to look pop police by creating false and fake scandals. >> house majority whip ken mccarthy joins us. nice to he sue. >> nice to be here. >> the irs proposal. explain what this is....

Supreme court, remember, from that night. is it your opinion that that is the beginning of this narrative, that the president was signaling that something was to be done about this? >> the e-mails in which lois lerner seems to be the hub of activity include a rule, similar to the one they're claiming now, to rein in 501 c 4s. but it appears that she was working that track and also working the track of trying to do what they couldn't do in this case by notth allowing these tea party and patriot named organizations to go forward. >> what jumped out at me, it said everyone is up in arms because t...