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Approach. it is not do nothing. i think that's a tired argument. >> do very little. >> it's an incremental approach. let's talk about the first thing, bringing down health care costs. that's how this whole debate began over a year ago at the white house when the president had his first summit. >> where's the evidence that you do that? >> we certainly -- cbo has validated that we bring down health care insurance premiums without a doubt. that help folks who have it. we can expand coverage. we say we don't approve of denial will of coverage for preexisting conditions. we have -- >> it's not in y...

By about the same amount for the apples to apples, c aon the eff on the same plan. now, the reason why the cost goes up -- this is a question i think democrats are going to have to answer as they go forward on this -- is that they are mandating a richer plan than in some cases people more comprehensive plan than people now have as the baseline in these exchanges. so one of the questions i think democrats may be asking is, can they bring down the cost of this somewhat by moving back away from some of those mandates. if you look at the cbo analysis of both core proposals, their impact on premium...