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Consistent. >> he'll have trouble appealing to the young folks without adopting some of those pg positions. >> it's not news. he's a republican. he's having states rights, a good sort of argument. not perfect for a lot of liberals. as long as he's not going to be legislating from the oval office, that's okay. you described the isolationist foreign policy. nonintervention is different from isolationism. he doesn't want the military being overly involved. isolationism to the extreme is like north korea. i -- i was at c-pac recently. john bolten and the other bush hangovers are talking about isol...

And others. cruz feels he can set himself apart. ncongressman paul ryan said we should target. >> is that not what president obama and kerry are trying to do? >> the hard line for the republican establishment, how dow talk about what the president is doing that is wrong and at the same thing to encourage him to do what is right. we heard from the republican establishment that you hear it under their voice and you got to go faster and do more, but they don't want to be seen as publicly critizing him. >> and of those three positions, which one is gang more traction? >> rand paul won the c-pac st...

Will win the straw poll. the campaign has a lot of organizers on the ground and that bodes well for the senator. >> michelle, you wrote about that and noted that while it wasn't his a-game, you noted the level of enthusiasm and the crowds he got were pretty substantial in how he stood out from some of the others. >> that's right, karen. he was by far the most well received, it was standing room on. robert's point about their being -- c-pac is self attended by the young voters in the parties, students, would-be activists. if you go to the exhibit hall over, there if you look at the booths and l...

Does that mean he's never going to bend on anything, anywhere. that's what they are putting out so when they begin to lay the groundwork and come to my state of south carolina, they will know what plays and what doesn't. they are walking in, as you know, joy, no stage is bigger and no lights burn hotter than the presidential. it's going to be a different game running for president. >> i think you make a good point. sometimes i think feeding the base, it feels good to the people in the room. do you worry that some of the messaging coming out, not just c-pac, but the party as it is in washington...

>> don't tell people it's dull. >> it's duller than woodstock. exciting for us. >> i got it. i know you are excited to be there. >> very, very. >> i want to play a bit of ted cruz at c-pac. he took a bit of a jab at republicans. i want to play john mccain's response, then get your response. >> of course, all of us remember president dole. and president mccain and president romney. look, they are good men, they are decent men. when you don't stand and draw a clear distinction, when you don't stand for principle, democrats celebrate. >> he can say what he wants to about me and he can say anythin...