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Assault -- being assaulted by russian bombs and missiles, ukrainian women are being forced to give birth in maternity hospital cellars. most of this hospital staff, they haven't left the building since february 24th. pregnant women laboring for hours only to be interrupted by air raid sirens urging them to seek shelter below. >> we are living in real hell. i could never imagine something like that can happen in the 21st century. i saw women are giving birth just in here in a basement. and they were all in blood because they'd had, for example, c-sections, and then again the alarms started, and...

Even when that might have been the safer option. i think that is something which quite frankly, nhs has now moved all targets associated with reducing c-sections. but it shows -- was one of the trust which had the lowest, one of the lowest c-section rate in the nhs. the third thing is the blame culture. i mean, even in this inquiry, -- believes that doctors, nurses, midwives were pressurized not to be open with her until they could be professional reprisals if they were. too often in the nhs, it is difficult for doctors and nurses to speak out. the thing we really wanted to learn from mistakes...

Happened in -- learning from experience, what can we learn about what happened, why wouldn't learn the losses of have been slightly different circumstances, but the bottom line is a life, it's a, life is a life. >> absolutely. i mean baby deaths have come down by about a third over last decade, but we are still 27th out of 38 of receiving countries when it comes to infant mortality. so countries like hungary, a slovenia do better than us. i think, i haven't seen the report, but i think what we will see is that staffing is very important. my select committee said we needed 2000 more midwives, a...

Horrific. i think what i found most striking isjust horrific. i think what i found most striking is just how the mothers involved, the most vulnerable point involved, the most vulnerable point in their lives, were being just mistreated and ignored and belittled and sidelined and treated so badly, at a time when they needed the care the most, and it isjust really horrific to see that happen. yeah, horrific to see that happen. yeah, horrific is a _ horrific to see that happen. yeah, horrific is a word _ horrific to see that happen. yeah, horrific is a word you _ horrific to see that happen. yeah...

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