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The end in the general election. >> having spent all this time with her, what do you think she understands as her role right now? >> well, it's interesting. she's experimenting with a new role actually outside of politics. and that's one thing she's often criticized as the sort of consummate democratic party insider as a first lady, a senator, a presidential candidate. she has talked about herself as an activist citizen. she's talked about herself as a member of the resistance. she's positioning herself experimentally, i think, this is my take, as somebody who is opposing from the outside. she...

Class and that got some air but bad air during the primaries. when she went to coal country, she wanted to talk about retraining coal miners. policies that address the opioid addiction. that stuff wasn't getting the positive airing and messaging at the end in the general election. >> having spent all this time with her, what do you think she understands as her role right now? >> well, it's interesting. she's experimenting with a new role actually outside of politics. and that's one thing she's often criticized as the sort of consummate democratic party insider as a first lady, a senator, a pre...