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These -- from our governments. so it's a very lawless -- it's a very lawless situation, bill. >> bill: all right. so you say that because the people in washington do their own leaks that they are less inclined to clamp down on other people leaking? >> i think that's very much the case. i think, you know, if you look at woodward's recent book, obama's wars, he should be in jail for publishing that material, except that the material came from the president of the united states. >> bill: you can give us one example of something being published that you feel is treasonous or actionable? >> i can g...

These -- from our governments. so it's a very lawless -- it's a very lawless situation, bill. >> bill: all right. so you say that because the people in washington do their own leaks that they are less inclined to clamp down on other people leaking? >> i think that's very much the case. i think, you know, if you look at woodward's recent book, obama's wars, he should be in jail for publishing that material, except that the material came from the president of the united states. >> bill: you can give us one example of something being published that you feel is treasonous or actionable? >> i can g...

These -- from our governments. so it's a very lawless -- it's a very lawless situation, bill. >> bill: all right. so you say that because the people in washington do their own leaks that they are less inclined to clamp down on other people leaking? >> i think that's very much the case. i think, you know, if you look at woodward's recent book, obama's wars, he should be in jail for publishing that material, except that the material came from the president of the united states. >> bill: you can give us one example of something being published that you feel is treasonous or actionable? >> i can g...