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for breaking up these companies an not having them have so much concentrated power to decide what we are allowed to talk about. howie: it's immense power. then the question is are you penaizing success. let's say frances haugen becomes a cable news fixture, does that undermine her considerate civil? she has a pretty deep knowledge of how the tech companies work. >> i go back tour opening segment. -- back to your opening segment. her purpose was to reveal the documents and to show that facebook knew about this. what frances haugen thinks should be the correct solution, who cares? congress is going to decide what to do about facebook or not to do anything at all. i mean, she's just a messenger. the thing that made her story important is that she came with as you said the goods. what she said is not new. people have been talking about this for years. but all of a sudden now we know that facebook knew about it too and acknowledged it. howie: right. look, there is an argument that facebook wants to be able to

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