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Suspicious of his story? >> i think there were suspicions relatively quickly if for no other reason than he declined to be fingerprinted. >> reporter: but rini agreed to a dna test, which ultimately revealed his true identity. a convicted criminal just released from prison. the pitzen family crushed. >> it's like reliving that day all over again. >> reporter: rini told investigators he got the idea after watching this cable show produced by abc news. >> rini told the agents that he wanted to get away from his family and that he wished he had a father like timmothy pitzen's father. >> reporter:...

Story. these were real truth-seeking people, and then there were those who were in the other camp, non-truth seekers. mark: they were heavily outnumbered, weren't they? >> i seemed to see -- i wanted to see more truth seekers than we had. and so a lot of the material that went out into the public domain was, essentially, an echo chamber from what white house spokespeople were saying, criticisms of the investigation, let's change the subject, let's attack the investigator. and one of the things that hillary, of course, was extremely effective at doing as a student of saul alinsky, go after and ...

Stadiums or any of this stuff, but they're a fact of political life and do we have tim ryan on your cable show the other day and he was, like, look, i think these are the problems here, but i would love for them to come to ohio and if you think that the green new deal wouldn't look like the amazon deal on steroids with the government leaning in and giving away subsidies to steer the company you're kidding yourself. >> thank you. this is a debate that is obviously going to continue. that is all we have for today. thank you for watching. we'll be back next week, i promise, because if it's sunday...

You you make a good point. >> the other thing i thought was fascinating and he was all upset that what he called the elites aren't responding to his candidacy. that's all he has. he has 60 minutes, he's got a cable show who the listen to him for 20 minutes. the elites are the ones listening to him. i have statistics because think it's stunning. merriam williamson announced she's running. >> i don't think we're covering this. >> you know how many twitter followers she has? 2.6 million. you know how many twitter followers howard schultz has? 65,000. >> he joined on sunday. >> he joined twitter o...

Doing the same thing, spending tens of thousands of dollars because they know once they get processed and let free, they will be in the interior united states and they are going to have to wait two to five years probably for the backlog of cases no judge at that point is going to let them go. other scams and schemes did you go to the border you see just aren't being reported on. >> tucker: it sounds like if you just saw this standing there and mexico border. it's not hidden information, so if you were a producer for like a 10:00 p.m. cable show on cnn you probably should coo have gotten that i...