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explaining the decision, and now they're trying to figure out how to come up with a compromise without compromising. >> well, i think the politics is overstated. if you look at polls, the majority of cath likts support this. cad lick women sharply support this. men are more opposed. they're not going to vote for the president anyway so i think the politics have been misunderstood, but the president has gone out and gotten surrogates. i think senator shahin will be leading efforts. so i think they are getting surrogates out there, and i think there's a big difference between the washington conversation on this issue and the conversation in the country. >> you look at this from both perspectives? what do you think? isms the challenge for barack obama is the catholic church is not backing down. they are not backing down.

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