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Group of people than the suburbanites ron is talking about. we forget that is in this bill. maybe it gets stripped out. maybe it doesn't. you lose rand paul, the calculus changes. this is a big risk they're taking. it is deeply unpopular right now. >> all right. chris cillizza, ron brownstein, thank you. later in the program we will talk about the political theater we saw. >> and very relevant. as i like to tease on the show, do you hear that? that's the big voice of the democrats trying to win back this working class they lost to the republican party. this is all about the republicans and the...

That are coming up? >> then you have real panic. that's what's really going to -- you know, that will be that small voice of conscience telling them, hey, maybe you ought to freak out now. until it becomes obvious to them that, number one, they're not going to get their agenda and they could be facing a blowout in 2018,hey're goi to be reluctant to break. but ce that happens, then i do think the calculus changes. but then again, do not underestimate the ultimate investment of the trump base in trump. i understand what people are saying about people being concerned about this, but we're not see...

Can use -- where we don't have to use american boots or american treasure, drones, we use those. that's increasingly the way wars are fought. i guess i wonder do you think that sort of -- that strategy, that calculus changes if another party controls the white house? >> no, i don't. i think that that's the difficulty that the republican candidates have had when they are more specifically asked about what they would do differently. this is sort of the way that a wars will be fought by the united states. i don't think any republican candidate thinks -- although lindsey graham has gone the furthe...

Suddenly your calculus changes. >> neil: would you lead a filibuster? >> i will use any and all procedure means available. we don't know for sure how harry reid is going to tee this up. but rest assured i will use any and all procedure mean wes have in front of us. >> neil: conservative mike levin was saying the way for republicans to throttle this through their own minds is to even risk losing for a cause in the event it puts a stamp on your passion. i'm paraphrasing here but used the example of republicans who stood their ground and stood with ronald reagan in 1976 and came within a lick of ...

Peter agreed, if assad uses chemical weapons now, it looks like the man in russia has no power. >> that's right. and that would lead to an outcome that putin doesn't want. because i think if assad uses chemical weapons again the calculus changes. the use of force becomes much more -- a much more viable option for obama, we'll have more international support p you can see sentiment change in europe, for instance. and i think you're really likely to see a swift reaction from the west if he does it again. and that's the thing putin wants least here. he does not want the west using its military in...