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And more right. the center of the court is now anthony kennedy, one of the of most conservative jurists in supreme court history. i think some kind of parody of passion and force and >> dolly, do you subscribe to the common view now that neil gorsuch will be to the right of every justice on the court? >> whether he's to the right of ali to or thompson, those are the questions we're asking. i think he's consistently where scalia, thompson and ali to are, not to the left of them. >> teller of hard truths, dolly lithwick, thank you. we'll be right back. stay with us.

Different if all of us were listening very careful l i to, and taking seriously your work and the work of other independent artists, what would we know about race in america that is now out of the public conversation, or that we're getting wrong? >> i think, for the most part, with hip-hop, what's beautiful about it is for me, it's always embraced all of the races very easily, since its inception. i think that's what's beautiful about music in general. especially hip-hop. so it's a foregone conclusion that, you know, hip-hop embraces everything, embraces people in a very beautiful way. >> we h...

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