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Deputy campaign manager, foreign policy adviser and national security adviser. he's filed 191 charges against more than 30 individuals. almost all of whom are in president trump's orbit, vladmir putin's orbit or both. he does lay it out in eye opening terms. that's the sort of thing i imagine with any other presidency, we would be farther down the line in terms of congressional investigations. >> reporter: not a great look. republicans when they try to defend against those kind of numbers say moe of whst of what have been charged with or pled guilty to is lying. these charges while serious are...

About who donald trump was and what kind of guy he have and what sort of campaign he was running. michael cohen was the most loyal person in that orbit. >> why believe him now? >> that's a good question. robert mueller has taken his testimony and since he signed on and made a plea agreement said that he believes michael cohen has a lot to offer and that he is credible. if cohen is saying we were talking about this for much longer. the trump tower meeting for much longer than i said and there's documentary evidence to back it up, robert mueller is saying i trust you with this. what else can you...

Trying to seek the presidency but seek business deals at the same time. remains to be seen whether there's other things that cohen knows about here that will help illuminate what was going on inside the campaign. >> thank you very much. tom winter, in looking at the relationship the president has with the special counsel. he's answered questions related to collusion. how much worry would there be he might have answered a question that michael cohen could have contradicted? >> i think there could be a lot of concern about that. particularly if there's evidence to back it up. anybody that thinks...

Working on this deal. it's just astounding. you have worked covering donald trump for such a long time. people who know him, i spoke to someone who knows him and michael cohen today, they say donald trump wants to be famous and he wants money. nothing else really matters. the appearance of some kind of a collusion with russia during the campaign didn't really matter to him. if the presidential thing didn't work out, he wanted to make money and he's been making money in russia off miss universe pageant. he really wanted to do that. that is a huge motivator. >> mimi, what is the underlying crime...

Kaitlan collins and julie hirschfeld davis. i want to start with kellyanne conway who seems to be saying other people might have been up to shenanigans. why qualify the no collusion? >> no collusion at the highest levels is something interesting for her to say. i don't think we heard her say anything like that. we have seen the goal post shift from no can tact with russian officials and we learned that several official his contact with russians and then it moved to no collusion and then it's no collusion with donald trump himself. that is an interesting remark. i don't know if that was intenti...