MSNBC MSNBC Live With Stephanie Ruhle October 2, 2019 13:12:00
Every engagement that the president or the secretary of state has right now. >> ben, you said recently that the way that the president and his allies are defending his behavior toward ukraine -- remember, he called that call perfect -- you said the way they're describing all of that might actually be more damaging than the behavior itself. what do you mean? >> look, if i rob your house and steal all your stuff and keep that secret, that presents an enforcement problem, right? the police then have to enforce the law against breaking and entering and theft. but if i rob your house and steal your...
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