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I had no idea how i would react. but to my surprise, i was thrilled. like i got it. when i saw his chest the way it looks now, i thought, oh, right, this makes sense. and i was surprised. i actually thought i might miss the other, but it worked. >> so physically there wasn't a problem. what about psychologically? >> emotionally we went through a lot of work. and i mean you go from being in a female dynamic, even though i believe chaz was always male, he had estrogen. so you have two estrogens in the house, then it goes to estrogen and testosterone and that's an adjustment, absolutely. >> witho...

Alcohol. why was that? >> i can't blame it solely on chaz's transition. my sobriety has been a struggle for years. it has been an off and on thing. when he told me he was going to do this i used it as a pass for myself which only an alcoholic can do. >> when you saw jennifer fall off the wagon, did it worry you that the stress of everything you put her through was now coming out in alcohol? >> actually, no. what it made me was angry really. and it was different because i think in the past i would have been, you know -- and she had in the past fallen off the wagon and i was, i was really scared...

The male chaz. i mean, in a sense of testosterone and estrogen. there was a softness that chaz had as a female that is different now as a male. >> from a technical point of view, are you now a straight guy? >> sure, yeah. >> and you can't be a lesbian any more, right? >> i'm a bisexual woman. >> you remained a bisexual woman. >> and i stayed that way. so there you go. >> do you amuse yourselves when you explain all this to people who just sort of can't get it? >> we amused dave. or he did. >> what did you think watching that? >> i thought it was great. i thought it was great. and he heard that...

Place as a culture that we would be able to be more respectful. >> tell me, since this has all blown up and you have been on tv everywhere, have you been vindicated on your belief on that? when you walk around, are people supportive to you? >> very. >> are you amazed how far america has come? >> i have been amazed how the media has covered this and how fair and open-minded everybody seemed to be. yeah. you know, if somebody recognizes me, i always get, you know, a really positive response from them. you know -- >> of course had you done this 25 years ago. >> it would have been different. >> yo...

Lesbianing rights, transgender rights and so on. do you hope that the publicity surrounding chaz's story may lead to a more liberal attitude towards this kind of thing? >> well, you know, i don't want to throw out any political terms or label anybody anything here. but i'm always one who believes we can learn something from everybody's story wherever we can hear it that there are bit was it to learn and we can all gain some wisdom and happiness watching other people's stories and accepting them and trying to hear a little bit. you know, i'll be very candid. this is a strange story and hard to ...