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Debt and defici i think on each of those issues, this president has really failed. we've added to the national debt by $5 trillion. and the unemployment rate being over 8% for the entire obama presidency, that's not a good record to run on. >> but it's become a choice. the question is whether romney has broken through with an economic message that says this is a distinctly different path and more aeptable path for americans. you argue it is not. >> it will be a choice between two alternatives. both these gentlemen have records. when romney was governor of massachusetts, a state that is pretty ...

Development, tax spending, debt and deficit. and i think on each of those issues, this president has really failed. we'd added to the national debt by $5 trillion. and the unemployment rate being over 8% for the entire obama presidency, that's not a good record. >> but it's going to become a choice, right? and the question is whether romney has broken through with an economic message that says this is a distinctly different path and a more acceptable path for americans. you would argue it's not. >> and you know, it will be a choice between two alternatives. and both of these gentlemen now have...

Can do to lower health care costs and put patients back in control, and of course the prescription drug bill itself has come in 42% under budget because it's a private sector model. while certainly there was a medicare prescription drug benefit it was done in a way that advanced the private sector of medicine and that's one of the reasons that i supported it, unlike governor romney who had public sector control of the health care system. the bills i voted for were private sector oriented programs. governor romney and barack obama are on the same place with health care, romneycare and obamacare...

We're making college more affordable. we're creating jobs at twice the rate of virginia. and these cultural battles that drive people apart are not helpful to driving us forward. >> do you think your counterpart here in virginia would be a good running mate for romney, or would you cast him as an extremist? >> well, i think if you look -- >> here's your chance, martin. >> governor, if you look simply at job creation, now, while maryland's had a better rate of job creation than virginia, the truth is virginia -- virginia ranks far higher than massachusetts did under mitt romney. so for that rea...

For us to conclude our involvement in afghanistan, as we have in iraq. and i agree with governor mcdonnell. so many young men and women are serving so honorably and so well. but incidents like this do happen in war zones. it's very important we bring our troops home as soon as possible. >> let's talk about the economy as well. it was just about five months ago, president obama says he was an underdog. and now you look at the job numbers. and the trajectory of unemployment over the course of the president's term here, the dark days of it 2009 and '10 with unemployment in double digits, 10% now,...