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Trying to figure out the best course of responding to that, perhaps they made mistakes, but i think what they were trying to do is come up with a record that could not be disputed as they tried to understand what was going on here. bharara had the distinct advantage of being a new yorker, and new yorkers who were exposed to trump for decades before he ran for president, knew exactly how he rolled. he's coming at this from being a new yorker and a law enforcement official. they all had good reasons for wanting to have tape recordings. >> and he was in trump tower during the transition and got a...

He's coming at this from being a new yorker and a law enforcement official. they all had good reasons for wanting to have tape recordings. >> and he was in trump tower during the transition and got a sense of donald trump's state of mind and the few other aids around him in why he was so interested in sdny. and he confirmed for me tonight, there are no records of donald trump calling other -- >> this is what i was wondering. >> when he said that, i remember at the time, when he got fired, saying he had to consult someone. he didn't think it was appropriate to call the president. laypeople like...