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Will have that. and i think that's one of the reasons jones was so -- was -- his authentic thing was about finding common ground. and that came from him. when we started talking that way and had him talk that way. >> and the comfort of being boring, if you don't mind my saying so. in a way, you know what i'm saying? >> that calm decency, a decent guy who actually said, there's honor in compromise and civility. >> yeah. civility's a better word for it. >> in this environment. >> and when you talk about him going after bannon in this case, i think bannon miscalculates if he thinks he's the popul...

Boring, if you don't mind my saying so. in a way, you know what i'm saying? >> that calm decency, a decent guy who actually said, there's honor in compromise and civility. >> yeah. civility's a better word for it. >> in this environment. >> and when you talk about him going after bannon in this case, i think bannon miscalculates if he thinks he's the populist pied piper, but it's actually trump. and i think he miscalculate ifs he thinks the folks are going to take his side in this battle. >> he's gone from republican pariah to republican leper. no one wants to be near him now. mcconnell and fo...