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Hoped it would produce? we don't know. but certainly mr. nunberg has light to shed on what the president knew before that trump tower meeting. we would be interested in finding out. >> let's discuss all of this and more. crystal still with us as well as legal analyst laura coates and legal analyst april ryan. april, what's your biggest takeaway from those rather strange interviews he gave on cnn, msnbc, elsewhere? >> strange is a calm word. it was erratic. you would have to really wonder about his mental state at the time. and being a lawyer, number one, and understanding there was a 3:00 dead...