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A conservative. go on. >> not in my mind she's not. more to the point which i think is. >> she didn't call him a token negro. she said all of a sudden now he is the token negro for the trump administration. >> talking about him, right. >> now, to charles point about does this president care about minority my personal experience with him in that same oval office without camera present, all he wanted to know about from me what can i do for the hispanic community, i said one thing let's send a tweet and talk about more long-term things we can do. he absolutely care whether the camera is on or off...