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Aggressor, you're the defender. you know, you're right, you're wrong, but we rather look to what extent are both sides complying with international humanitarian law, basically. really? so, kenneth roth, you, still a powerful voice in international human rights, you can look at the camera talking to me today and say you are not prepared to define russia as the aggressor in the current war with ukraine inside ukrainian territory? i mean, look, obviously, russia was the aggressor. i'm not, i'm not denying that. but human rights watch, in the way it operates in a situation like that, we always rep...

I'm kind of struggling to understand what you meant when, during your tenure at human rights watch, you always said, "our organisation has to be neutral. in a sense, we have to be like the international committee of the red cross based in switzerland. we have to be able to work in countries and approach countries with the sense that we don't take sides. we are neutral." i mean, in your last answer, you sure as hell were taking sides. where we stress that neutrality is when there's an armed conflict. that's where the red cross operates. that's where, part of where we operate. and so in a war si...

You know, you're right, you're wrong, but we rather look to what extent are both sides complying with international humanitarian law, basically. really? so, kenneth roth, you, still a powerful voice in international human rights, you can look at the camera talking to me today and say you are not prepared to define russia as the aggressor in the current war with ukraine inside ukrainian territory? i mean, look, obviously, russia was the aggressor. i'm not, i'm not denying that. but human rights watch, in the way it operates in a situation like that, we always report on both sides. in fact, huma...

To understand what you meant when, during your tenure at human rights watch, you always said, "our organisation has to be neutral. in a sense, we have to be like the international committee of the red cross based in switzerland. we have to be able to work in countries and approach countries with the sense that we don't take sides. we are neutral." i mean, in your last answer, you sure as hell were taking sides. where we stress that neutrality is when there's an armed conflict. that's where the red cross operates. that's where, part of where we operate. and so in a war situation, we don't take ...

Quickly. >> his accessibility and openness during the campaign when appearing on tv was a drug for him as a candidate. and on some level you wonder if he almost wants to be in front of the camera talking. and if he views -- i wonder if those within the -- if there is a camp in the white house that view the sean spicer daily press briefing as a distraction because we know the president is obsessed with the ratings that sean spicer gets. >> thank you guys for being with us. when we come back one senator says there is a good chance mike flynn is already cooperating with the fbi because they have ...