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♪ who cares for fame and fortune ♪ ♪ their ony're only passing thi♪ ♪ but the touch of your lips on mine ♪ >> i'd like to go back in time a little bit to just how you started. i know that you started with hats and worked your way -- >> oh, i -- >> are we going to move this? please let me know these things. are we rolling? >> am i -- okay, i don't mind it being a little dishevelled. okay, thanks. halston was the custom milliner at bergdorf. we lived around the corner from each other, so he and i would

The architect was paul rudolph, and the day i saw it, i bought it. it's the only real modern house built in the city of new york since the second world war. it's like living in a three-dimensional sculpture. >> when i was hired by norton simon, of course i had to meet halston. so i went to his townhouse, and he showed me through the whole thing. he was clearly delighted with his new toy, and i was terribly impressed. i remember saying to him, i'm going to enjoy making money for you, halston, because you know how to spend it. my brief was that whatever else you do, you got to get the fragrance ...

Fancy clothes and dressing all the stars and now a larger public dressing america really. >> he said he would design it. he designed it. everybody, of course, wanted a piece of it. the guy who made scarves wanted halston scarves. the guy who made shoes wanted halston shoes. that was going on. >> jcpenney is an organization that is so vast. it's not like one person oversees the whole thing. so talk about cultures, different cultures, completely. >> when i got involved in it, i thought oh, boy, these people really need help. sketches they couldn't read. fabrics they didn't know anything about. e...

>> didn't you run into some trouble with bergdorf who was -- >> oh, not at all. no, i don't think so. you know, bergdorf -- i wish them well. i started my career at bergdorf and helped to make bergdorf famous. bergdorf is a rather small account compared to all america. >> he was very upset. he didn't understand it, also shocked over the fact that that could happen that quickly. >> did bergdorf goodman drop your line because you went to penney's? >> they i think felt threatened. but i think there's a way out of it. >> your connection to bergdorf is a very important -- >> he stepped out of the n...

>> [ spoking foreign language ]. voila. >> i thought this is fun. clothes had to be made for me similar to what he wears. my wife, my kids are getting all these clothes. and then one day, he introduces me to liza minnelli. i said you know, this is -- the hell with business. this is great. you know, this is the way to live. >> we had budget meetings, and apparently theirs was a disaster. carl was not doing what we agreed to. i'm at the top. and i don't care what's happening in the engine room. i know the engine isn't running. and it wasn't. turn this into a brand. turn this into something we ca...