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Implicated in exceeding campaign limits with that stormy daniels payment. and then you have the further announcement by the president that he may pardon martha stewart. another tv permanent who was convicted of guess what, obstruction of justice and lying to authorities. so he's nothing if not transparent. the problem is the fact that this is out in the open that these actions to obstruct justice don't make it any less problematic for the country or for the rule of law. >> the president tweeted this today. that not that it matters but i never fired james comey because of russia. the corrupt ma...

Campaign laws as well as financial disclosure obligations. so that's a first take. i would certainly want to delve into legal issues more, but i think the president was in a no-win situation given the sort of false web he had woven over this in that if he reported it, it led to one conclusion about prior falsehoods. if he didn't report it, it led to a different conclusion about prior falsehoods. but to me, the implication is it was a loan and it exceeded the campaign limits. and second, it should have been reported a year ago. and that's a problem. >> you're on a committee that has a lot of bu...

Prior falsehoods. if he didn't report it, it led to a different conclusion about prior falsehoods. but to me, the implication is it was a loan and it exceeded the campaign limits. and second, it should have been reported a year ago. and that's a problem. >> you're on a committee that has a lot of business to attend to day in and day out, week in and week out. the majority issued their somewhat perfunctory report. there is a minority report from the folks in your party. what is it now like on that committee as the chair of that committee, devin nunes is out spinning further conspiracy theories ...

In which they were ready to move in and seek what they were after. >> kevin hall with the big news of the night. thank you for joining us. really appreciate it. >> thanks for having us. >> we're joined by jennifer reuben an msnbc contributor and one of the law school graduates at the table. as you've been digesting all of this breaking news here within the hour, i want to get your reaction to the way it seems the mueller investigation is now crossing into stormy daniels payoff territory. >> right. there are one of two possibilities, both are campaign violations. if trump did know about it, he ...

Really appreciate it. >> thanks for having us. >> we're joined by jennifer reuben an msnbc contributor and one of the law school graduates at the table. as you've been digesting all of this breaking news here within the hour, i want to get your reaction to the way it seems the mueller investigation is now crossing into stormy daniels payoff territory. >> right. there are one of two possibilities, both are campaign violations. if trump did know about it, he should have revealed that. he should have disclosed that. if he didn't know about it, then mr. cohen overshot the campaign limits by about,...